Hugh Atkins

I do not submit this post as a criticism of Billy Wagner, the longtime relief pitcher recently voted into the Baseball Hall of Fame. I do however, propose this week’s musings as a criticism of the save, which is the one stat that accounts for Wagner’s enshrinement into the hallowed halls of Cooperstown.

Wagner was a steady performer for 15 seasons, mostly with the Houston Astros. He has 422 saves on his ledger, eighth most in major league history.

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Of the seven pitchers with more saves than Wagner, three–Mariano Rivera, Trevor Hoffman, and Lee Smith–are in the Hall of Fame. Kenley Jansen and Craig Kimbrel were active in 2024, and Francisco Rodríguez received 10.2% of the vote in 2025, his third year on the ballot. John Franco, who had two more saves than Wagner, did not receive the minimum five percent of votes required to remain on the ballot in 2011, his first year of eligibility.

There are six pitchers with far fewer saves than Wagner in the Hall of Fame: Dennis Eckersley, Rollie Fingers, Bruce Sutter, Rich Gossage, Hoyt Wilhelm, and John Smoltz. Eckersley and Smoltz are outliers, as they also were excellent starting pitchers for substantial portions of their careers.

The save and the terminology for the pitchers who accumulate them have evolved over the years. When I first started following baseball, a save went to the relief pitcher who finished a game his team eventually won, and another pitcher got credit for the win. The score at the time the pitcher entered the game was not a factor.

Beginning in 1975, to earn a save a pitcher had to finish a game his team eventually won after having entered the game with his team leading by three or fewer runs, or with the tying run on the bases, at the plate, or in the on-deck circle, and another pitcher got credit for the win.

Broadcasters and writers informally used the term save for years before it became an official statistic. They reserved the terminology for a pitcher whom they felt actually saved the game. In its earliest iteration, they attached a save to a pitcher who entered the game and successfully bailed the previous pitcher out of a jam and then remained in the game until the end. They also referred to these pitchers as firemen. That concept of a save fits very well with the manner in which Sutter, Gossage, Fingers, and Wilhelm, accumulated most of their saves.

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In today’s game, most saves go to pitchers who enter the game at the beginning of the ninth inning and blow away the opposing hitters with fastballs of around 100 miles per hour. Since there usually is no fire for such relief pitchers to put out, the firemen of years ago have become closers.

Rivera is the all-time leader in saves with 652, but he isn’t in the top 10 when it comes to saves in which he pitched more than one inning. Fingers holds the top spot in that category with 201, which is 58.9% of his career total of 341. Mike Marshall, an early relief specialist, had just 188 saves in his career, but he pitched more than one inning in 127 (67.5%) of them. Rivera had only 119 such saves (18.3%), and Wagner had only 36 (8.5%).

Don’t get me wrong; Billy Wagner was a fine pitcher. But he only twice led the league in any statistical category–games finished in 2003 and 2007. I’m just not sure piling up a lot of modern-day saves is enough to merit a call from Cooperstown.

(All statistics are from Baseball Reference and Retrosheet. For a deeper dive into saves, check out the article All Saves are Not Created Equal by Gabriel Schecnter from SABR’s 2006 Research Journal.)

6 responses to “They Once Called Them Firemen”

  1. Gary Trujillo Avatar

    I don’t know how I feel about Wagner, but it took ten years so….meh.

    If you stick around long enough, you can put up impressive numbers. A lot of these “HOFers” only had 3-4 excellent seasons, and the rest were middling.

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  2. cheaphill44 Avatar

    By all accounts, Wagner is a good dude. I just think the level of difficulty involved in closing and racking up saves is highly overrated, making it a highly overrated and overvalued stat.

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    1. Lamar Bradley Avatar
      Lamar Bradley

      When I grew up in the sixties, starting pitchers were expected to finish their games. If a manager had to “relieve” you, it was either because you got hurt, or the other team was hitting you at will. It was almost an embarrassment for a top pitcher if he was taken out of a game. He might get taken out late in the game for a pinch hitter, but occasionally there were starters who finished games on the losing end of a score. The game has changed such that it is rare for any starter to finish a game these days.

      A save should be more than just getting the final out in a game in given situations. But I’m afraid that ship has sailed.

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      1. cheaphill44 Avatar

        Yeah, when I started following baseball, starters were the premium pitchers on the team, and in most cases relievers were the guys who had not cracked the rotation but wanted to. I can remember Milo Hamilton and Ernie Johnson saying that a reliever who turned in a good performance had possibly earned a shot at a start. Most closers come in at the start of the 9th inning and never are in a jam unless it is of their own making. Pitchers in the 7th and 8th innings often come in with the bases jammed and retire the opposition while holding the lead. That seems more like a save to me.

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  3. Steve Myers Avatar

    Nice research. Hugh. I love it when managers use their “closers” in the 7th inning during a high leverage situation and then the next game use him in the 8th and a week later in the 9th…mixing and matching based on situations as opposed to what you described as one inning – “blow away the opposing hitters with fastballs of around 100 miles per hour.”

    Marshall and Fingers and Sutter and others had to be more clever than the 100 mph one inning.

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  4. cheaphill44 Avatar

    Thanks for checking out my blog. Dan Quisenberry had a year in which he had 44 saves with only 41 strikeouts. Talk about being more clever.

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